It is a rare day when a blog post riles me up enough to consume my thoughts all day. However, today is one of those days. I am a big fan of the Brazen Careerist Network and enjoy reading the perspectives of other 20-somethings. I enjoy well explained argument and opposing viewpoint. I also enjoy healthy banter about politics, social and workplace issues.
Today, though, one Brazen Careerist writer's post was appalling. Katie Monaghan wrote a post entitled "How My Psych Major Tells Me Just How Crazy Everyone Else Is At Work."
You really need to read the post in order to understand why I am so bothered by her statements.
I have an undergraduate and Master's degree in Psychology (focused on Industrial/Organizational Psychology) and would NEVER use the word "crazy" about someone I felt had a genuine psychological disorder. It's not funny. It's not just insensitive- it's downright offensive.
As an undergrad, I had a phenomenal Abnormal Psychology professor (Dr. David Holmes) who regularly asked his patients to come in and explain what it is like to have their particular disease. The entire 2,000 person auditorium would be silent and respectful as the individual shared their challenges and how difficult/hurtful it is to interact with insensitive others. That experience honestly changed me as a person.
Thanks to Dr. Holmes, I met a schizophrenic who smelled rotting flesh all of the time, and believed blood was running down the faces of every student in the auditorium. As she spoke, she kept her hand on her forehead because she believed that there was a ticker tape running across her forehead sharing all of her innermost thoughts. She even had difficulty concentrating because the monks that constantly follow her were chanting in the background. She was fully aware that none of these things were "real" to others, but they were VERY real to her. Dr. Holmes introduced us to people with bipolar disorder, obsessive compulsive disorder, agoraphobia, etc.
On a personal level, I struggle with both depression and anxiety, as does my father. I have close family and friends that experience Bipolar disorder, ADHD, and OCD. These are real diseases that affect real people. To use the word "crazy" in reference to real psychological disorders is absolutely sickening.
Additionally, Katie berates all of her colleagues calling them crazy and implies that they need straight jackets. Amazingly, she has diagnosed all of her colleagues with only a bachelor's degree. I wonder if Katie's coworkers and boss know about her blog. I wonder if her psychology professors are proud that they taught her so much in her undergrad, that she feels qualified to clinically diagnose others. I also wonder how Katie's coworkers/boss perceive her personality quirks (because we all have them).
Moving away from the issues of real mental disorders, something I noticed in the post is how Katie believes everyone else is "crazy" except for her. What would Carl Jung say about that?
Everything that irritates us about others can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.
or....
If one does not understand a person, one tends to regard him as a fool.
or...
I have never encountered a difficulty that was not truly the difficulty of myself.
or...
If people can be educated to see the lowly side of their own natures, it may be hoped that they will also learn to understand and to love their fellow men better. A little less hypocrisy and a little more tolerance towards oneself can only have good results in respect for our neighbor; for we are all too prone to transfer to our fellows the injustice and violence we inflict upon our own natures.
From what I see in this post is a clear lack of respect and understanding of others. I would suggest to Katie that a better use of her psychology degree would be to use her "people skills" to build bridges of understanding- not create walls of prejudice.
I would ask her to think about whether the things that bother her about others can tell her something about herself. Are the "personality quirks" she perceived in others just different ways of approaching things? Would the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator help lend insight into the motivations and preferences of herself and others? It is always better to look inward first, then outward second.
Katie, on a personal level, I am more than willing to help if you are open to learning more about yourself and others through the MBTI.
Finally, this Carl Jung quote exemplifies how I feel about what I learned from Dr. Holmes:
One looks back with appreciation to the brilliant teachers, but with gratitude to those who touched our human feelings. The curriculum is so much necessary raw material, but warmth is the vital element for the growing plant and for the soul of the child.
Wednesday, August 27, 2008
Personality Quirks, Psychological Disorders, and the Importance of Understanding
Posted by Breanne at 12:33 PM
Labels: Dr. Holmes, illness, mbti, mental disease, myers-briggs, Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, personality, personality preferences, psychological disorders, Psychology
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11 comments:
Breanne,
Your point of view is certainly valid, but I wanted to give a different perspective.
First, it is your job and probably your calling to help people. It is Katies job to entertain and drive traffic.
ENTP's in particular are known for their irreverent humor and Katies article did not even register on my scale.
She was being flippant and sarcastic. One thing I have learned from MBTI and from David Kiersey is that by default, we tend to view other people as defective to the degree they are different from us (especially regarding type - and as an ENTP in an SJ world, I know this all too well).
Being so close to the issue of mental health and personality, nobody would hold it against you for being sensitive to these serious issues. Many would even admire you for it.
What if we took a step back? What if we look at Katies *intent* and interpreted the article through that lense?
At the most basic level, I saw the article as an attempt to identify with the readers. At times we can all feel like we are the only normal/sane/smart/competent person and everyone around is is truly "crazy". On a basic existential level, everyone else *IS* crazy - if "crazy" means not seeing the world the way we see it. We all feel that way sometimes and I would even say that you felt that way towards Katie when you read her aticle - how could *she* be so "crazy" as to write something like that?
Thats all I got.
Love your blog.
-DR
As a recovered alcoholic, I get behind what you're saying here. I'm sure the writer didn't mean it that way (I saw it on BC before I read your post, and thought nothing beyond 'there's another post on sweeping generalizations'), but we should be a little more careful about how we judge people.
In my 12-step meetings, I heard someone say that if you've got a problem with someone, the problem is with yourself. Or, "if you spot then you've got it."
I often think how lucky I am that I'm not a middle-aged male recovering alcholic. When they see me, a petite 20-something female, saying I'm an alcoholic, I've already blown their idea of what an alcoholic looks like.
It's upsetting when people don't realize what it's like to live with my disease, and my heart goes out to others with psychological disorders.
@David Rees- Thank you pointing out a different perspective. You're right...if the writer were writing to get attention on some other topic, I probably wouldn't have felt the same way. Psychology is my passion, and mental health is something I do not joke about.
I completely understand writing to spark interest, dialogue and create traffic. I just don't think it needs to come at the expense of people in your personal life.
I would have had a different viewpoint if she didn't have a degree in psychology and imply that was a source of knowledge for her. I also would have given her some slack if she'd pointed out anything that actually represented a symptom of a mental illness. I would also have respected her if she gave real tips for dealing with mental illness in others. There's a difference between sarcastically saying "Man, some of my coworkers are bonkers...check out what she did today" and saying someone needs a straight jacket and has a condition listed in the DSM-IV.
We all have our hot buttons, and this is definitely one of mine. Similarly I have a friend whose brother is mentally handicapped. Nothing sends her through the roof like when someone uses the R@tard word.
I just think you can be funny and sarcastic without being hurtful and implying knowledge about clinical psychology.
I assume Katie meant no harm to others, and I have enjoyed her previous posts. This just struck a serious chord with me.
Interestingly, reading her post did give me something MBTI-ish to think about. Within minutes of reading the post, I called 3 friends to "check" whether or not I was out of line with my response. That's not like me. As an introvert, traditionally, I would have thought about this for a day or two and then formulated a response. I was definitely not in my dominant function this morning.
@HollyHoffman- I read your post a few months ago where you shared the story of your sobriety and was amazed by your courage. It is so hard to talk about weaknesses, especially ones like alcoholism which carry such a negative stigma. I guess we all sensitive to certain things, and only realize how hurtful something can be once we've been the target.
Wow, I really do apologize that I offended you, but really, if you read my blog, you see that I make fun of myself quite often too. I AM crazy. And I use the word very loosely & embrace it to be both endearing and not. Also, I'm not a psychology major nor was I trying to diagnose people in any medical or professional way. As was stated before, it was merely for my own entertainment, and if you don't find it funny, that's okay.
I would just prefer you not attack me as a person for your own popularity.
@theleftovers- Katie, I am sorry if you feel that I am attacking you personally. That was in no way my intention. Perhaps my passion on the subject translated into too much emotion.
I'm not sure why you think my response had anything to do wih popularity. I tried to make it clear that this is an issue that touches my heart personally. Those are not the kind of things one uses for personal gain.
I am guessing the title of your original post was re-written by the BC staff, and unfortunately that may have colored the lens I viewed your writing through. The title implied that you were educated in the field of psychology, so that made me think "Man, she should be more sensitive to that topic."
If you read my last comment response, you'll see that I said I have enjoyed your other posts and regularly read your blog.
I also was trying to be helpful in offering you any personality assessments that might help you bridge the communication gap you are experiencing with your colleagues. I was serious about that. Maybe you'll find it helpful, maybe you won't...but I always try to offer solutions.
In the end, I apologize for any negativity on my part. If I re-read your post in the context of just trying to be sarcastic, I get it. We all have our hot buttons, and this one just struck mine.
P.S. We're all a little crazy. :)
@theleftovers
The comment you made about me attacking you personally for my own popularity is interesting to me since 1) I responded with logical reasoning and examples to your public blog post, and 2) you don't seem to have a problem attacking your boss and coworkers publicly for the popularity of your blog. Do they know about the posting? Do they have the opportunity to defend themselves?
I'm just sayin....
Breanne,
I think this post is levelheaded and fair. Your passion resonates in your 'writing voice' and we love you for it.
This post reminds us why your blog is so important in the HR & business communities. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, and Katie is an example of how an otherwise intelligent woman with a point of view and a platform can get it so wrong.
Keep writing, don't stop, and continue to use your critical eye to dissect through the nonsense out there.
- Laurie
Thank you for your response Breanne. I don't see where you were out of line at all (based on the way the Katie's post was originally written). You so eloquently expressed the frustration of many. - Holly (fellow ISTJ)
Wow, Breanne!
I didn't even see these comments until now. I see two things. Your post was honest, passionate, and came from a place of wanting to help others. Katie's post was for entertainment, self-focused, and getting a laugh at the expense of others (which, by the way, I have no problem with. I can even laugh along. But one should be prepared to face the criticisms without taking more cheap shots.) The answer to who is trying to gain popularity is pretty clear from where I sit. (another ENTP)
That's my two cents! :-)
I, on the other hand, AM trying to gain popularity. (Muhahahaha!)
I've also been accused of being crazy AND weird. I've thanked every one of them. ;-)
For the record, this issue has been discussed in multiple places because my blog is syndicated. Before you comment, please read what has happened/been said in the other places first:
The original post is here: http://www.brazencareerist.com/2008/08/27/how-my-psych-major-tells-me-just-how-crazy-everyone-else-is-at-work/
My blog response (and more reader comments) is also posted in these 2 locations:
http://www.brazencareerist.com/2008/08/28/personality-quirks-psychological-disorders-work-on-your-empathy/
http://blogs.hrmtoday.com/featured-stories/the-danger-of-ignorance-when-psychology-is-involved/
Katie's response is here:
http://theleftovers.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/where-humanity-and-the-blogosphere-meet/
Punk Rock HR Pro's perspective is here:
http://punkrockhr.com/2008/09/04/more-hr-blogosphere-drama-ur-so-crazy/
Personally, I'm so over this whole drama.
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